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		<title>Comment on Why Independent Baptist Missions Is Failing by Bob</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate what Pastor Wallace is identifying as a problem in IBM today.  As a veteran missionary working in Europe, I can remember the many miles we drove to raise support.  I also remember many spiritual challenges my wife and I faced during this period of time.  I remember during this time I wanted to quit because of these challenges.  Deputation is expensive but it is a purifying process eliminating those who ultimately quit on the mission field.  If a missionary makes it through the deputation process and goes to the field and quits, it ultimately cost more money for our Independent Baptist Churches. Even with the difficult deputation process we still have a 25% drop out ratio with those who ultimately go to the field. I believe this percentage would be much higher if we streamlined the process and it would ultimately be more expensive for all involved in IBM.

I do applaud Pastor Wallace’s three points that would help immediately.   The first point “Pastors, only bring missionaries to your church if you have the ability and intent to take them on for monthly support.” This is one of my biggest complaints with a few pastors.  In 2008, I took a short three month trip back to the States to raise additional support.  I called several churches in one particular area the country to present my ministry and raise some additional support. During my first contact with pastors I explained that the American dollar had dropped dramatically in value and I needed to raise some additional support to offset the loss in value (the dollar had dropped 40% in value during this time).  I was a little surprised by the aloof attitude by many pastors during these phone calls.  I know many missionaries are calling them and it is time consuming, but the business of the church is evangelistic outreach.  After arranging approximately 20 meetings in three months I was very disappointed that several of these meetings were pulpit supply.  The pastor was going on vacation and I was the guest speaker.  Churches seldom support missionaries without the pastor’s recommendation.  The pastors don’t recommend missionaries unless they have met them and hear their presentation.  My wife and I felt used many times during these three months.  I even had one large church take an offering at the beginning of the service, send me to a particular hotel and restaurant with the premise I pay up front and my love offering and reimbursement would be sent.  I made two follow up calls to the church asking about the check and was informed it would go in the mail.  I am still waiting for the check.  Please understand the majority of pastors are kind and generous toward us missionary.  I can understand the frustration of those missionaries who are on deputation today, but deputation is a purifying process that weeds out those who will probably not make it on the mission field. 

The second point, “Pastors, focus on quality, not on quantity. If you could either support 100 missionaries at $25 per month or 25 missionaries at $100 per month…”  I appreciate the concept that if one church has to drop support of a missionary for $50 he will not come home to raise more support.  I believe this is a good concept that works.  The problem is $50 support has been a standard since the 1970s.  The typical missionary needed 30 to 40 churches supporting them at that time.  Based upon inflation this number should be $150 to $200 a month.  This would put the missionary support base around 30 to 40 churches again.  I would also like to point out the missionary can spend time with 30 supporting churches on his year furlough.  A church that supports many missionaries at $50 will never become familiar with individual missionaries, this is sad. I would also like to point out my VW Passat (economy car) costs $110.00 to fill the tank.  I think most churches are worthy of supporting for more than a half a tank of fuel a month. 

The third point, “Pastors, sometimes you can be too independent for your own good. Let’s be willing to work together to get missionaries to the field.”  This is one of the difficult realities in the Independent Baptist movement.  Many pastors have certain issues or loyalties which are their driving force in determining what missionaries they may support.  I have found in my home state at least four distinct Independent Baptist movements that have a tendency to support those within their movement.  Pastors within those movements may or may not have a missionary come if they are KJV or non-KJV, Calvinist or non-Calvinist.  This is one of the major problems missionaries face on deputation and the reason it takes so long to get to the field.

I appreciate Pastor Wallace’s concern for missions and suggestions.  I may not agree with all of his recommendations, but I applaud him because he wants to change the status quo.  I believe two things need to happen in the Independent Baptist movement. First, we need a better screening process to reduce the drop out ratio of missionaries starting on deputation.  Second, pastors need a better understand of the difficulties and problems missionaries face. A primary attribute of the church is evangelism.  I do believe when the church’s mission program is an inconvenience the cause of Christ is hurt.

In closing, I have many wonderful supporting pastors that I am grateful for with their sacrificial prayers and giving.  I also want to say a $50 love offering is sacrificial coming from a church that is struggling.  I appreciate many small churches who have consistently given when they are facing financial challenges but never forgot their commitment to their missionaries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate what Pastor Wallace is identifying as a problem in IBM today.  As a veteran missionary working in Europe, I can remember the many miles we drove to raise support.  I also remember many spiritual challenges my wife and I faced during this period of time.  I remember during this time I wanted to quit because of these challenges.  Deputation is expensive but it is a purifying process eliminating those who ultimately quit on the mission field.  If a missionary makes it through the deputation process and goes to the field and quits, it ultimately cost more money for our Independent Baptist Churches. Even with the difficult deputation process we still have a 25% drop out ratio with those who ultimately go to the field. I believe this percentage would be much higher if we streamlined the process and it would ultimately be more expensive for all involved in IBM.</p>
<p>I do applaud Pastor Wallace’s three points that would help immediately.   The first point “Pastors, only bring missionaries to your church if you have the ability and intent to take them on for monthly support.” This is one of my biggest complaints with a few pastors.  In 2008, I took a short three month trip back to the States to raise additional support.  I called several churches in one particular area the country to present my ministry and raise some additional support. During my first contact with pastors I explained that the American dollar had dropped dramatically in value and I needed to raise some additional support to offset the loss in value (the dollar had dropped 40% in value during this time).  I was a little surprised by the aloof attitude by many pastors during these phone calls.  I know many missionaries are calling them and it is time consuming, but the business of the church is evangelistic outreach.  After arranging approximately 20 meetings in three months I was very disappointed that several of these meetings were pulpit supply.  The pastor was going on vacation and I was the guest speaker.  Churches seldom support missionaries without the pastor’s recommendation.  The pastors don’t recommend missionaries unless they have met them and hear their presentation.  My wife and I felt used many times during these three months.  I even had one large church take an offering at the beginning of the service, send me to a particular hotel and restaurant with the premise I pay up front and my love offering and reimbursement would be sent.  I made two follow up calls to the church asking about the check and was informed it would go in the mail.  I am still waiting for the check.  Please understand the majority of pastors are kind and generous toward us missionary.  I can understand the frustration of those missionaries who are on deputation today, but deputation is a purifying process that weeds out those who will probably not make it on the mission field. </p>
<p>The second point, “Pastors, focus on quality, not on quantity. If you could either support 100 missionaries at $25 per month or 25 missionaries at $100 per month…”  I appreciate the concept that if one church has to drop support of a missionary for $50 he will not come home to raise more support.  I believe this is a good concept that works.  The problem is $50 support has been a standard since the 1970s.  The typical missionary needed 30 to 40 churches supporting them at that time.  Based upon inflation this number should be $150 to $200 a month.  This would put the missionary support base around 30 to 40 churches again.  I would also like to point out the missionary can spend time with 30 supporting churches on his year furlough.  A church that supports many missionaries at $50 will never become familiar with individual missionaries, this is sad. I would also like to point out my VW Passat (economy car) costs $110.00 to fill the tank.  I think most churches are worthy of supporting for more than a half a tank of fuel a month. </p>
<p>The third point, “Pastors, sometimes you can be too independent for your own good. Let’s be willing to work together to get missionaries to the field.”  This is one of the difficult realities in the Independent Baptist movement.  Many pastors have certain issues or loyalties which are their driving force in determining what missionaries they may support.  I have found in my home state at least four distinct Independent Baptist movements that have a tendency to support those within their movement.  Pastors within those movements may or may not have a missionary come if they are KJV or non-KJV, Calvinist or non-Calvinist.  This is one of the major problems missionaries face on deputation and the reason it takes so long to get to the field.</p>
<p>I appreciate Pastor Wallace’s concern for missions and suggestions.  I may not agree with all of his recommendations, but I applaud him because he wants to change the status quo.  I believe two things need to happen in the Independent Baptist movement. First, we need a better screening process to reduce the drop out ratio of missionaries starting on deputation.  Second, pastors need a better understand of the difficulties and problems missionaries face. A primary attribute of the church is evangelism.  I do believe when the church’s mission program is an inconvenience the cause of Christ is hurt.</p>
<p>In closing, I have many wonderful supporting pastors that I am grateful for with their sacrificial prayers and giving.  I also want to say a $50 love offering is sacrificial coming from a church that is struggling.  I appreciate many small churches who have consistently given when they are facing financial challenges but never forgot their commitment to their missionaries.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will You Help Develop A New Missions Strategy? by Will You Help Develop A New Missions Strategy? &#171;</title>
		<link>http://jeremywallace.net/2012/01/17/will-you-help-develop-a-new-missions-strategy/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will You Help Develop A New Missions Strategy? &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] HERE to read the latest missions article and to see how you can get involved. Rate this:  Share [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Why Independent Baptist Missions Is Failing by Will You Help Develop A New Missions Strategy? &#124; jeremywallace.net</title>
		<link>http://jeremywallace.net/2011/12/02/why-independent-baptist-missions-is-failing/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will You Help Develop A New Missions Strategy? &#124; jeremywallace.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] this process. (If you are new to the discussion you can read the other missions articles here: Why Independent Baptist Missions Is Failing, Missions: Dare I Use The Word Cooperate?, Missions Articles [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this process. (If you are new to the discussion you can read the other missions articles here: Why Independent Baptist Missions Is Failing, Missions: Dare I Use The Word Cooperate?, Missions Articles [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missions Articles Recap by Will You Help Develop A New Missions Strategy? &#124; jeremywallace.net</title>
		<link>http://jeremywallace.net/2011/12/15/missions-articles-recap/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will You Help Develop A New Missions Strategy? &#124; jeremywallace.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The vast majority of people I have talked to agree that the current process of getting Independent Baptist missionaries to the foreign field is not working as effectively and efficiently as it can and should.  There are a few naysayers, but that is to be expected whenever the status quo is challenged.  The arguments have already been made for the need to change this process. (If you are new to the discussion you can read the other missions articles here: Why Independent Baptist Missions Is Failing, Missions: Dare I Use The Word Cooperate?, Missions Articles Recap.) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The vast majority of people I have talked to agree that the current process of getting Independent Baptist missionaries to the foreign field is not working as effectively and efficiently as it can and should.  There are a few naysayers, but that is to be expected whenever the status quo is challenged.  The arguments have already been made for the need to change this process. (If you are new to the discussion you can read the other missions articles here: Why Independent Baptist Missions Is Failing, Missions: Dare I Use The Word Cooperate?, Missions Articles Recap.) [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missions: Dare I Use The Word &#8216;Cooperate&#8217;? by Will You Help Develop A New Missions Strategy? &#124; jeremywallace.net</title>
		<link>http://jeremywallace.net/2011/12/06/missions-dare-i-use-the-word-cooperate/#comment-18</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you can read the other missions articles here: Why Independent Baptist Missions Is Failing, Missions: Dare I Use The Word Cooperate?, Missions Articles [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you can read the other missions articles here: Why Independent Baptist Missions Is Failing, Missions: Dare I Use The Word Cooperate?, Missions Articles [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ready&#8230;&#8230;Shoot&#8230;&#8230;Aim! by Brian</title>
		<link>http://jeremywallace.net/2012/01/05/ready-shoot-aim/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 09:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeremy, some clarification would be appreciated. You speak of, &quot;Doctrinally sound pastors and churches are to be unified in fighting the enemy.  This is done by focusing on the Gospel.&quot; I understand the first sentence and heartily agree and regularly am employed in this practice but it is not done by focusing on the Gospel. That is the message to proclaim, but I am commanded in Scriptures to stand for the whole body of Biblical truth (often said as, &quot;the faith&quot; or &quot;the doctrine&quot;), the Gospel just being one of many of the sound doctrines ennumerated in the Bible.
I understand your title and have seen it practiced but I have a feeling we are referring to different examples. I say that because of the links I see here on the right. I have strong doctrinal disagreements with 9Marks and Desiring God and could in no way even begin to work toward proclaiming the message of the Gospel with any of these men. The doctrinal differences are too great, too important to ignore, simply because we may proclaim the same &quot;Gospel.&quot; And I use the term &quot;Gospel&quot; advisedly since a Lordship Salvation twist of the Gospel is not the Gospel.
So I try not to &quot;Ready, Shoot, Aim&quot; but will on many occasions &quot;Ready, Aim, Shoot&quot; those who hold doctrinal differences. Romans 16:17, II Thess. 3:6, 14,15 are still in my Bible, along with Paul calling out several men to Timothy in those two epistles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, some clarification would be appreciated. You speak of, &#8220;Doctrinally sound pastors and churches are to be unified in fighting the enemy.  This is done by focusing on the Gospel.&#8221; I understand the first sentence and heartily agree and regularly am employed in this practice but it is not done by focusing on the Gospel. That is the message to proclaim, but I am commanded in Scriptures to stand for the whole body of Biblical truth (often said as, &#8220;the faith&#8221; or &#8220;the doctrine&#8221;), the Gospel just being one of many of the sound doctrines ennumerated in the Bible.<br />
I understand your title and have seen it practiced but I have a feeling we are referring to different examples. I say that because of the links I see here on the right. I have strong doctrinal disagreements with 9Marks and Desiring God and could in no way even begin to work toward proclaiming the message of the Gospel with any of these men. The doctrinal differences are too great, too important to ignore, simply because we may proclaim the same &#8220;Gospel.&#8221; And I use the term &#8220;Gospel&#8221; advisedly since a Lordship Salvation twist of the Gospel is not the Gospel.<br />
So I try not to &#8220;Ready, Shoot, Aim&#8221; but will on many occasions &#8220;Ready, Aim, Shoot&#8221; those who hold doctrinal differences. Romans 16:17, II Thess. 3:6, 14,15 are still in my Bible, along with Paul calling out several men to Timothy in those two epistles.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Warning: Beware Of The Bubble! by Aaron Marcelli</title>
		<link>http://jeremywallace.net/2011/12/21/a-warning-beware-of-the-bubble/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Marcelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I especially agree with and like point 4 you make at the end.  When we think our way is the right way or only way, we tend to overlook it&#039;s weaknesses.  Usually we do this while pointing out any weaknesses we see in those not like us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I especially agree with and like point 4 you make at the end.  When we think our way is the right way or only way, we tend to overlook it&#8217;s weaknesses.  Usually we do this while pointing out any weaknesses we see in those not like us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ready&#8230;&#8230;Shoot&#8230;&#8230;Aim! by Aaron Marcelli</title>
		<link>http://jeremywallace.net/2012/01/05/ready-shoot-aim/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Marcelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like this post and would argue it also applies to pastors across ministry cultural lines (traditional/contemporary, etc.)  The Bible says we fight not against flesh and blood but against powers and spirits of darkness.  I take that to mean anyone with flesh and blood is not our enemy.  They may do thing we would consider wrong, but that does not make them our enemy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post and would argue it also applies to pastors across ministry cultural lines (traditional/contemporary, etc.)  The Bible says we fight not against flesh and blood but against powers and spirits of darkness.  I take that to mean anyone with flesh and blood is not our enemy.  They may do thing we would consider wrong, but that does not make them our enemy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ready&#8230;&#8230;Shoot&#8230;&#8230;Aim! by Jeremy Wallace</title>
		<link>http://jeremywallace.net/2012/01/05/ready-shoot-aim/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was not my goal to make &quot;nice&quot; and &quot;edifying&quot; the same thing. I was attempting to add a spiritual application to a non-spiritual statement. Sorry for the confusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was not my goal to make &#8220;nice&#8221; and &#8220;edifying&#8221; the same thing. I was attempting to add a spiritual application to a non-spiritual statement. Sorry for the confusion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ready&#8230;&#8230;Shoot&#8230;&#8230;Aim! by Alex Guggenheim</title>
		<link>http://jeremywallace.net/2012/01/05/ready-shoot-aim/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Guggenheim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice and edifying are not synonyms though edifying is always nice, nice is not always edifying nor must edifying only come from nice words such as the wounds of a friend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice and edifying are not synonyms though edifying is always nice, nice is not always edifying nor must edifying only come from nice words such as the wounds of a friend.</p>
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